Warren Togami Jr. [ARCHIVE] on Nostr: 📅 Original date posted:2015-06-28 📝 Original message:-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED ...
📅 Original date posted:2015-06-28
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Hash: SHA256
June 28th, 2015
Mailman's obscure_addresses option is now disabled. It has been pretty
useless
as a spam mitigation measure anyway.
This is a test message to see if mailman continues to break --clearsign GPG
signatures for messages that contain an e-mail address like test at example.com
.
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On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik at gmail.com> wrote:
> Generally agreed w/ all this.
>
> To preserve digital signatures now and in the future, and make mbox
> archives actually useful, a minimum modification policy is needed.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 3:21 PM, grarpamp <grarpamp at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Frank Flores <frankf44 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > If you're going to go through the trouble of signing your public emails
>> ...
>>
>> ... then you should also demand that the official archives of your
>> favorite lists preserve them and their verifiability in the supposedly
>> canonical reference "mbox" format that they distribute.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Wladimir J. van der Laan
>> <laanwj at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Subject: [bitcoin-dev] New GPG signing key for Bitcoin Core binary
>> releases
>>
>>
>> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June/009045.html
>> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June.txt.gz
>>
>> As you can clearly see, both the HTML archives and the "mbox"
>> archives have corrupted this message, it will not verify. Do not
>> try to say this case is trivial, the problem itself is not trivial,
>> it's gratuitous, and it applies to all matching messages... text,
>> code, binary inline... that's dangerous.
>>
>> Do not try to say this corruption prevents spam, it does not.
>> Spammers simply subscribe to the list and harvest everything
>> efficiently in realtime... no webcrawling overhead, no stale
>> addresses. Obfuscation is futile.
>>
>> This misfeature needs to be disabled.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 12:57 AM, Warren Togami Jr. <wtogami at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > archives will be exported
>> > and imported into the new list server
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Andy Schroder <info at andyschroder.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I'm not sure if anyone has submitted a request for gmane
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 5:35 PM, s7r <s7r at sky-ip.org> wrote:
>> > Do we have all the archives imported? I run several full nodes and
>> > mirrors for open source projects, if you think it's useful, I can
>> > provide a mirror for the mail list archives.
>>
>> Yes... these other mirrors, archives, analysis, journalism, and
>> interfaces are useful. However, as it is now, there are no useful
>> authoritative sources for them to seed from... they're all corrupt.
>> And any subscribed realtime sources, though nice, are subject to
>> downtime, administrative and other unrecoverable gaps. Your mirror
>> project is a fine idea, you should demand that the pristine historical
>> sources be made publicly available. Not just for you, but for everyone.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015, grarpamp wrote:
>> > ...
>>
>> As before, the current "mbox" archives are broken and not useful...
>>
>> a) They corrupt message data, messages are unverifiable, another
>> example...
>>
>> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June/009132.html
>>
>> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June.txt.gz
>> b) They are missing the minimum set of original headers necessary
>> for fully replyable, threadable, sortable, searchable, context
>> preserving and direct use by users MUA's in their local environment:
>> (Date, From, To, Cc, Subject, Message-ID, In-Reply-To, References)
>> c) They do not include attachments (patches, signatures, images, crypto,
>> data) that are absolutely necessary to the context and archives
>> of all lists. Instead they stupidly throw them away to "web links"
>> which results not only in uselessness of the so called "mbox"
>> version, but in many thousands of needless fetches by archive
>> users and indexers. And hours of wasted work attempting to
>> postprocess them into usable form.
>> Valuable content lost from the "mbox" files this June alone:
>> 418 attachment.html
>> 106 attachment.sig
>> 6 attachment.jpe
>> 4 attachment.png
>> 2 attachment.bin
>> d) There appear to be at least 15 instances of unescaped '^From '
>> in the "mbox". Regeneration with current mailman may fix. One such
>> case is here:
>>
>> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2014-January/004245.html
>>
>> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2014-January.txt.gz
>>
>>
>>
>> Please fix all the above mentioned issues by providing the full raw
>> archives in regularly updated [gzip/7z] mbox format. The internet
>> thanks you :)
>>
>> Example, compare the "Downloadable version"s here:
>> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/
>> https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/
>> https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-February/006820.html
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Andy Schroder <info at andyschroder.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Regarding message footers and the subject prefix
>>
>> Yes, they're also corruptive and space wasting clutter, for and by
>> the clueless :( Both of them should be turned off.
>> _______________________________________________
>> bitcoin-dev mailing list
>> bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
>
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📝 Original message:-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA256
June 28th, 2015
Mailman's obscure_addresses option is now disabled. It has been pretty
useless
as a spam mitigation measure anyway.
This is a test message to see if mailman continues to break --clearsign GPG
signatures for messages that contain an e-mail address like test at example.com
.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1
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On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik at gmail.com> wrote:
> Generally agreed w/ all this.
>
> To preserve digital signatures now and in the future, and make mbox
> archives actually useful, a minimum modification policy is needed.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 3:21 PM, grarpamp <grarpamp at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Frank Flores <frankf44 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > If you're going to go through the trouble of signing your public emails
>> ...
>>
>> ... then you should also demand that the official archives of your
>> favorite lists preserve them and their verifiability in the supposedly
>> canonical reference "mbox" format that they distribute.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Wladimir J. van der Laan
>> <laanwj at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Subject: [bitcoin-dev] New GPG signing key for Bitcoin Core binary
>> releases
>>
>>
>> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June/009045.html
>> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June.txt.gz
>>
>> As you can clearly see, both the HTML archives and the "mbox"
>> archives have corrupted this message, it will not verify. Do not
>> try to say this case is trivial, the problem itself is not trivial,
>> it's gratuitous, and it applies to all matching messages... text,
>> code, binary inline... that's dangerous.
>>
>> Do not try to say this corruption prevents spam, it does not.
>> Spammers simply subscribe to the list and harvest everything
>> efficiently in realtime... no webcrawling overhead, no stale
>> addresses. Obfuscation is futile.
>>
>> This misfeature needs to be disabled.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 12:57 AM, Warren Togami Jr. <wtogami at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > archives will be exported
>> > and imported into the new list server
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Andy Schroder <info at andyschroder.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I'm not sure if anyone has submitted a request for gmane
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 5:35 PM, s7r <s7r at sky-ip.org> wrote:
>> > Do we have all the archives imported? I run several full nodes and
>> > mirrors for open source projects, if you think it's useful, I can
>> > provide a mirror for the mail list archives.
>>
>> Yes... these other mirrors, archives, analysis, journalism, and
>> interfaces are useful. However, as it is now, there are no useful
>> authoritative sources for them to seed from... they're all corrupt.
>> And any subscribed realtime sources, though nice, are subject to
>> downtime, administrative and other unrecoverable gaps. Your mirror
>> project is a fine idea, you should demand that the pristine historical
>> sources be made publicly available. Not just for you, but for everyone.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015, grarpamp wrote:
>> > ...
>>
>> As before, the current "mbox" archives are broken and not useful...
>>
>> a) They corrupt message data, messages are unverifiable, another
>> example...
>>
>> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June/009132.html
>>
>> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-June.txt.gz
>> b) They are missing the minimum set of original headers necessary
>> for fully replyable, threadable, sortable, searchable, context
>> preserving and direct use by users MUA's in their local environment:
>> (Date, From, To, Cc, Subject, Message-ID, In-Reply-To, References)
>> c) They do not include attachments (patches, signatures, images, crypto,
>> data) that are absolutely necessary to the context and archives
>> of all lists. Instead they stupidly throw them away to "web links"
>> which results not only in uselessness of the so called "mbox"
>> version, but in many thousands of needless fetches by archive
>> users and indexers. And hours of wasted work attempting to
>> postprocess them into usable form.
>> Valuable content lost from the "mbox" files this June alone:
>> 418 attachment.html
>> 106 attachment.sig
>> 6 attachment.jpe
>> 4 attachment.png
>> 2 attachment.bin
>> d) There appear to be at least 15 instances of unescaped '^From '
>> in the "mbox". Regeneration with current mailman may fix. One such
>> case is here:
>>
>> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2014-January/004245.html
>>
>> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2014-January.txt.gz
>>
>>
>>
>> Please fix all the above mentioned issues by providing the full raw
>> archives in regularly updated [gzip/7z] mbox format. The internet
>> thanks you :)
>>
>> Example, compare the "Downloadable version"s here:
>> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/
>> https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/
>> https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-February/006820.html
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Andy Schroder <info at andyschroder.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Regarding message footers and the subject prefix
>>
>> Yes, they're also corruptive and space wasting clutter, for and by
>> the clueless :( Both of them should be turned off.
>> _______________________________________________
>> bitcoin-dev mailing list
>> bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
>
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