Andrew Poelstra [ARCHIVE] on Nostr: 📅 Original date posted:2018-05-24 📝 Original message:On Thu, May 24, 2018 at ...
📅 Original date posted:2018-05-24
📝 Original message:On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 11:44:16AM +0200, Natanael via bitcoin-dev wrote:
>
> As stated above by Wuille this seems to not be a concern for typical P2SH
> uses, but my argument here is simply that in many cases, not all
> stakeholders in a transaction will hold one of the private keys required to
> sign. And such stakeholders would want a guarantee that the original script
> is followed as promised.
>
In this case, even mandatory graftroot would not allow the signing stakeholders
to take the coins. The reason is that if there are _any_ non-signing script
conditions that must be followed, then to use Taproot the top-level public key
needs to be unusable, e.g. by being a NUMS point. In that case the public key
would also be unusable for Graftroot.
Another way to see this is -- in any context where Graftroot seems dangerous,
there needs to be a reason why the ability to just create transactions is not
dangerous. In your example it seems that the signing parties can just take
the coins with or without Graftroot, so the problem is not in Graftroot but
in the way that the example is set up.
> I'm not concerned by the ability to move funds to an address with the new
> rules that you'd otherwise graftroot in, only that you can provide a
> transparent guarantee that you ALSO follow the original script as promised.
> What happens *after* you have followed the original script is unrelated,
> IMHO.
>
To do this in Taproot you need to disable the top-level key, which will also
disable Graftroot.
--
Andrew Poelstra
Mathematics Department, Blockstream
Email: apoelstra at wpsoftware.net
Web: https://www.wpsoftware.net/andrew
"A goose alone, I suppose, can know the loneliness of geese
who can never find their peace,
whether north or south or west or east"
--Joanna Newsom
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 455 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20180524/eb8ee543/attachment.sig>;
📝 Original message:On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 11:44:16AM +0200, Natanael via bitcoin-dev wrote:
>
> As stated above by Wuille this seems to not be a concern for typical P2SH
> uses, but my argument here is simply that in many cases, not all
> stakeholders in a transaction will hold one of the private keys required to
> sign. And such stakeholders would want a guarantee that the original script
> is followed as promised.
>
In this case, even mandatory graftroot would not allow the signing stakeholders
to take the coins. The reason is that if there are _any_ non-signing script
conditions that must be followed, then to use Taproot the top-level public key
needs to be unusable, e.g. by being a NUMS point. In that case the public key
would also be unusable for Graftroot.
Another way to see this is -- in any context where Graftroot seems dangerous,
there needs to be a reason why the ability to just create transactions is not
dangerous. In your example it seems that the signing parties can just take
the coins with or without Graftroot, so the problem is not in Graftroot but
in the way that the example is set up.
> I'm not concerned by the ability to move funds to an address with the new
> rules that you'd otherwise graftroot in, only that you can provide a
> transparent guarantee that you ALSO follow the original script as promised.
> What happens *after* you have followed the original script is unrelated,
> IMHO.
>
To do this in Taproot you need to disable the top-level key, which will also
disable Graftroot.
--
Andrew Poelstra
Mathematics Department, Blockstream
Email: apoelstra at wpsoftware.net
Web: https://www.wpsoftware.net/andrew
"A goose alone, I suppose, can know the loneliness of geese
who can never find their peace,
whether north or south or west or east"
--Joanna Newsom
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 455 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments/20180524/eb8ee543/attachment.sig>;