Laszlo Hanyecz [ARCHIVE] on Nostr: š Original date posted:2014-04-16 š Original message:I think a warning like ...
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Original date posted:2014-04-16
š Original message:I think a warning like this is inappropriate.
There are many reasons to use an out of date operating system and high level applications like wallets need not concern themselves with the rest of the system. Maybe the wallet can scan your browser cache and tell you to stop visiting somesite.com too?
It just sounds like some kind of behavior modification that's being discussed here.. not-so-subtly suggesting that users shell out money for a newer version of the operating system, just to use their bitcoin wallets in a 'blessed' configuration. This actually sounds very similar to what happens with Apple iPhones.. they somehow manage to 'invalidate' the charging cables and accessories with every major software version. One day an accessory is working fine, then after the update users get a behavior modification nag every time they use it, urging them to buy a new one. Along these same lines, might as well put a warning about the registry keys needing to be cleaned, and maybe a 'shock the money' banner[1].
You guys all know how it works with financial software - there are many organizations using decades old software (and hardware) because they know its shortcomings, they've taken care of them in a way that works them, and they don't want to start all over just for the sake of having the newest version.
-Laszlo
[1] http://www.buzzfeed.com/adobe/obnoxious-banner-ads-that-everyone-remembers
On Apr 16, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Roy Badami <roy at gnomon.org.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 05:20:41PM +0200, Pieter Wuille wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Kevin <kevinsisco61784 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I think we should get to the bottom of this. Should we assume that xp is
>>> not secure enough?
>>
>> Yes.
>
> Do we need a similar warning for OS X 10.6? The EOL of that one is
> *far* less well known than XP (because of Apple's failure to
> communicate product lifecycles).
>
> roy
>
>
>>
>>> What is this warning?
>>
>> Windows XP is no longer maintained. Don't use such a system for
>> protecting your money.
>>
>>> Who is issuing this warning?
>>
>> Microsoft: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/end-support-help
>>
>> The suggestion here is to make Bitcoin Core detect when it's running
>> on Windows XP, and warn the user (they are likely unaware of the
>> risks).
>>
>> --
>> Pieter
>>
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š Original message:I think a warning like this is inappropriate.
There are many reasons to use an out of date operating system and high level applications like wallets need not concern themselves with the rest of the system. Maybe the wallet can scan your browser cache and tell you to stop visiting somesite.com too?
It just sounds like some kind of behavior modification that's being discussed here.. not-so-subtly suggesting that users shell out money for a newer version of the operating system, just to use their bitcoin wallets in a 'blessed' configuration. This actually sounds very similar to what happens with Apple iPhones.. they somehow manage to 'invalidate' the charging cables and accessories with every major software version. One day an accessory is working fine, then after the update users get a behavior modification nag every time they use it, urging them to buy a new one. Along these same lines, might as well put a warning about the registry keys needing to be cleaned, and maybe a 'shock the money' banner[1].
You guys all know how it works with financial software - there are many organizations using decades old software (and hardware) because they know its shortcomings, they've taken care of them in a way that works them, and they don't want to start all over just for the sake of having the newest version.
-Laszlo
[1] http://www.buzzfeed.com/adobe/obnoxious-banner-ads-that-everyone-remembers
On Apr 16, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Roy Badami <roy at gnomon.org.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 05:20:41PM +0200, Pieter Wuille wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Kevin <kevinsisco61784 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I think we should get to the bottom of this. Should we assume that xp is
>>> not secure enough?
>>
>> Yes.
>
> Do we need a similar warning for OS X 10.6? The EOL of that one is
> *far* less well known than XP (because of Apple's failure to
> communicate product lifecycles).
>
> roy
>
>
>>
>>> What is this warning?
>>
>> Windows XP is no longer maintained. Don't use such a system for
>> protecting your money.
>>
>>> Who is issuing this warning?
>>
>> Microsoft: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/end-support-help
>>
>> The suggestion here is to make Bitcoin Core detect when it's running
>> on Windows XP, and warn the user (they are likely unaware of the
>> risks).
>>
>> --
>> Pieter
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book
>> "Graph Databases" is the definitive new guide to graph databases and their
>> applications. Written by three acclaimed leaders in the field,
>> this first edition is now available. Download your free book today!
>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/NeoTech
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bitcoin-development mailing list
>> Bitcoin-development at lists.sourceforge.net
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development
>>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book
> "Graph Databases" is the definitive new guide to graph databases and their
> applications. Written by three acclaimed leaders in the field,
> this first edition is now available. Download your free book today!
> http://p.sf.net/sfu/NeoTech
> _______________________________________________
> Bitcoin-development mailing list
> Bitcoin-development at lists.sourceforge.net
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development