Erik Aronesty [ARCHIVE] on Nostr: 📅 Original date posted:2023-02-06 🗒️ Summary of this message: Bitcoin ...
📅 Original date posted:2023-02-06
🗒️ Summary of this message: Bitcoin developers discuss the storage of unlimited NFT content as witness data using the ordinal scheme, with concerns about future disk usage and potential malicious content.
📝 Original message:there are already images encoded in the chain using multisig. when we
eliminated the max-witness size in 2017, that made it a bit cheaper, that's
all (one tx instead of many)
https://www.righto.com/2014/02/ascii-bernanke-wikileaks-photographs.html
my favorite one is the javascript exploit for people that like to render
untrusted blockchain data in their browser
the script to interpret these is trivial, and it's not much harder to add a
mime type
On Mon, Feb 6, 2023 at 12:34 PM Claus Ehrenberg via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> The inscriptions are designed to be easy to use, they even specify that
> mime types should be used. I'd say, the way the data is stored is anything
> but 'obscure'. UIs will be popping up to make this really easy. The main
> chain can't be censored, what's in a block is in a block. I'm predicting a
> huge success.
>
> So, are we ready to accept that we'll likely see the first pictures with
> insults or worse in the Bitcoin chain? I really like the idea, but the risk
> is pretty obvious. I think it would be prudent to have at least an opt-out
> feature for the data. So that it's possible to use the chain without the
> potentially malicious content. That means the content shouldn't live in the
> essential data of the main chain. Better would be something like the
> extension blocks in Litecoin.
>
> Best Regards
> Claus
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 1:47 PM Robert Dickinson via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> I'm curious what opinions exist and what actions might be taken by core
>> developers regarding storing unlimited amounts of NFT (or other?) content
>> as witness data (https://docs.ordinals.com/inscriptions.html). The
>> ordinal scheme is elegant and genius IMHO, but when I think about the
>> future disk use of all unpruned nodes, I question whether unlimited storage
>> is wise to allow for such use cases. Wouldn't it be better to find a way to
>> impose a size limit similar to OP_RETURN for such inscriptions?
>>
>> I think it would be useful to link a sat to a deed or other legal
>> construct for proof of ownership in the real world, so that real property
>> can be transferred on the blockchain using ordinals, but storing the
>> property itself on the blockchain seems nonsensical to me.
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>> bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
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🗒️ Summary of this message: Bitcoin developers discuss the storage of unlimited NFT content as witness data using the ordinal scheme, with concerns about future disk usage and potential malicious content.
📝 Original message:there are already images encoded in the chain using multisig. when we
eliminated the max-witness size in 2017, that made it a bit cheaper, that's
all (one tx instead of many)
https://www.righto.com/2014/02/ascii-bernanke-wikileaks-photographs.html
my favorite one is the javascript exploit for people that like to render
untrusted blockchain data in their browser
the script to interpret these is trivial, and it's not much harder to add a
mime type
On Mon, Feb 6, 2023 at 12:34 PM Claus Ehrenberg via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> The inscriptions are designed to be easy to use, they even specify that
> mime types should be used. I'd say, the way the data is stored is anything
> but 'obscure'. UIs will be popping up to make this really easy. The main
> chain can't be censored, what's in a block is in a block. I'm predicting a
> huge success.
>
> So, are we ready to accept that we'll likely see the first pictures with
> insults or worse in the Bitcoin chain? I really like the idea, but the risk
> is pretty obvious. I think it would be prudent to have at least an opt-out
> feature for the data. So that it's possible to use the chain without the
> potentially malicious content. That means the content shouldn't live in the
> essential data of the main chain. Better would be something like the
> extension blocks in Litecoin.
>
> Best Regards
> Claus
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 1:47 PM Robert Dickinson via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> I'm curious what opinions exist and what actions might be taken by core
>> developers regarding storing unlimited amounts of NFT (or other?) content
>> as witness data (https://docs.ordinals.com/inscriptions.html). The
>> ordinal scheme is elegant and genius IMHO, but when I think about the
>> future disk use of all unpruned nodes, I question whether unlimited storage
>> is wise to allow for such use cases. Wouldn't it be better to find a way to
>> impose a size limit similar to OP_RETURN for such inscriptions?
>>
>> I think it would be useful to link a sat to a deed or other legal
>> construct for proof of ownership in the real world, so that real property
>> can be transferred on the blockchain using ordinals, but storing the
>> property itself on the blockchain seems nonsensical to me.
>> _______________________________________________
>> bitcoin-dev mailing list
>> bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>>
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
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