Gulag Bound on Nostr: It’s becoming clear your heart isn’t open to change. You responded pretty quickly ...
It’s becoming clear your heart isn’t open to change. You responded pretty quickly for having really dug into actual scripture I provided, that doesn’t require any twisting to understand and gave you a recommendation from someone respected with sound teaching.
I don’t have to convince you, that is the duty of the spirit on a humbled heart. Since you’re clinging to your examples, I’ll reiterate my understanding for that of a heart of a babe. Again, I’m open to being wrong.
I’m not “missing” anything as you’ve stated. You’ve supplied great examples of the IMPORTANCE of women among the church. I agree that women’s importance is equal to that of men in ensuring God’s will. But LEADING the church is very different and I believe scripture makes that clear, not because women are lesser, as you’ve been poisoned to believe, but because they have another calling that men cannot fulfill for the church. Your examples don’t have much merit in the sense of LEADERSHIP in the church.
You stated:
Priscilla tought Apollos: great! This is very different from LEADING the church.
On Deborah: To say that Deborah was a prophetess and a leader in Israel, does not seem to say anything directly about whether or not women should be preachers in the church.
Suppose I had a cat named Lucy. Suppose I told you that because Lucy is a cat and because cats are animals and because dogs are animals, therefore Lucy is a dog. I’m not sure you would find that convincing because, while all cats are animals, not all animals are cats. My argument is built upon a significant category error.
Likewise, it is not true to say that because Deborah was a prophet and prophets are leaders, therefore women can be any type of leader including the preaching pastor of a church. The difference between a prophet and the preaching pastor of a church may well be as profound as the difference between a cat and a dog. Therefore the argument simply isn’t relevant or compelling.
Women’s words in scripture: again, great! But vastly different in LEADING the church. I never said women shouldn’t speak or be quoted for wisdom.
“Paul likely sent his letter to the Romans, which is scripture, to be delivered and preached by Phoebe, a deaconess.”: key words here, you stated “likely”, so we don’t in fact know… and if it was simply “READ” by Phoebe i would again urge you that reading Paul’s letters is a far cry of leadership.
You mentioned deaconess. Yes those exist and should, but submit to elders, who submit to Christ.
Again, go seek the spirit in the scripture I sent. Put the ego aside, your brother/comrade is not saying you are lesser.
I don’t have to convince you, that is the duty of the spirit on a humbled heart. Since you’re clinging to your examples, I’ll reiterate my understanding for that of a heart of a babe. Again, I’m open to being wrong.
I’m not “missing” anything as you’ve stated. You’ve supplied great examples of the IMPORTANCE of women among the church. I agree that women’s importance is equal to that of men in ensuring God’s will. But LEADING the church is very different and I believe scripture makes that clear, not because women are lesser, as you’ve been poisoned to believe, but because they have another calling that men cannot fulfill for the church. Your examples don’t have much merit in the sense of LEADERSHIP in the church.
You stated:
Priscilla tought Apollos: great! This is very different from LEADING the church.
On Deborah: To say that Deborah was a prophetess and a leader in Israel, does not seem to say anything directly about whether or not women should be preachers in the church.
Suppose I had a cat named Lucy. Suppose I told you that because Lucy is a cat and because cats are animals and because dogs are animals, therefore Lucy is a dog. I’m not sure you would find that convincing because, while all cats are animals, not all animals are cats. My argument is built upon a significant category error.
Likewise, it is not true to say that because Deborah was a prophet and prophets are leaders, therefore women can be any type of leader including the preaching pastor of a church. The difference between a prophet and the preaching pastor of a church may well be as profound as the difference between a cat and a dog. Therefore the argument simply isn’t relevant or compelling.
Women’s words in scripture: again, great! But vastly different in LEADING the church. I never said women shouldn’t speak or be quoted for wisdom.
“Paul likely sent his letter to the Romans, which is scripture, to be delivered and preached by Phoebe, a deaconess.”: key words here, you stated “likely”, so we don’t in fact know… and if it was simply “READ” by Phoebe i would again urge you that reading Paul’s letters is a far cry of leadership.
You mentioned deaconess. Yes those exist and should, but submit to elders, who submit to Christ.
Again, go seek the spirit in the scripture I sent. Put the ego aside, your brother/comrade is not saying you are lesser.