NoeBoties_Fool on Nostr: Had never heard of him. Just listened to a bit of an interview and read a couple of ...
Had never heard of him. Just listened to a bit of an interview and read a couple of book summaries. We would agree about recognizing reality for what it is and living in the world according to it. That's a big deal to me. I would say our approaches or sources of data about reality are probably different and we might often come to similar conclusions from different premises and axioms.
I don't know how he would view freedom/liberty vs binds/slavery from his axioms. I just know that the idea that we are either literally free to do anything we could wish or we are somehow a slave, doesn't reflect reality in myriad ways. Liberty, freedom, ownership, property etc... aren't (as most people casually think of them) reflective of reality. I often use basic language to reflect on these things to get at reality.
For instance, "freedom isn't free", is nonsense to me. It's in the very words themselves. If it isn't 'free' then it isn't FREEdom. Now lest examine, 'nothing is free'. I can find a 'cost' to just about everything, no matter how small, so that seems to better reflect reality. If so then, 'there is no freedom' in that strict sense, seems more accurate. Then I make the finner distinctions between 'freedom' and 'liberty' to see how they apply. Finally I asked myself (for a reality check), does anyone actually want (highly prize) freedom or liberty? I don't think either is in most peoples top 10 even.
In reality, we were taught in the Western Enlightenment World, that freedom and liberty were the necessary means to achieving all the things we really value. Thus, the means have come to be the ends. So, face reality. What do we really want? What are those close to universal desires that we all seem to share? If we could have them without any liberty or freedom, would we care about liberty and freedom so much? Would our lives be 'better' without placing those two things at the center as an end in themselves? I've concluded they would. I've discovered that pre-Enlightenment thinkers approached liberty and freedom from a different place. F&L were tools granted to those who are able to use them for their best good and the good of the world. Those not capable of using them properly were not granted them, for their own good and the good of the rest of us.
I'm blathering again. GN
I don't know how he would view freedom/liberty vs binds/slavery from his axioms. I just know that the idea that we are either literally free to do anything we could wish or we are somehow a slave, doesn't reflect reality in myriad ways. Liberty, freedom, ownership, property etc... aren't (as most people casually think of them) reflective of reality. I often use basic language to reflect on these things to get at reality.
For instance, "freedom isn't free", is nonsense to me. It's in the very words themselves. If it isn't 'free' then it isn't FREEdom. Now lest examine, 'nothing is free'. I can find a 'cost' to just about everything, no matter how small, so that seems to better reflect reality. If so then, 'there is no freedom' in that strict sense, seems more accurate. Then I make the finner distinctions between 'freedom' and 'liberty' to see how they apply. Finally I asked myself (for a reality check), does anyone actually want (highly prize) freedom or liberty? I don't think either is in most peoples top 10 even.
In reality, we were taught in the Western Enlightenment World, that freedom and liberty were the necessary means to achieving all the things we really value. Thus, the means have come to be the ends. So, face reality. What do we really want? What are those close to universal desires that we all seem to share? If we could have them without any liberty or freedom, would we care about liberty and freedom so much? Would our lives be 'better' without placing those two things at the center as an end in themselves? I've concluded they would. I've discovered that pre-Enlightenment thinkers approached liberty and freedom from a different place. F&L were tools granted to those who are able to use them for their best good and the good of the world. Those not capable of using them properly were not granted them, for their own good and the good of the rest of us.
I'm blathering again. GN